10:00:50 From  Matthew Tisdale  to  Everyone:
	Good morning and welcome. We will take 2 minutes to clear the waiting room and then begin our workshop.
10:01:21 From  Gabriel Petlin  to  Everyone:
	Sounds great!
10:28:44 From  Matthew Tisdale  to  Everyone:
	All workshop materials are posted here: https://gridworks.org/initiatives/california-future-grid-study/
10:29:50 From  Matthew Tisdale  to  Everyone:
	Please use the "Raise Hand" function to get the facilitator's attention
10:32:07 From  Matthew Tisdale  to  Everyone:
	Please feel free to ask any questions you have about the presentation being made in the chat. If time allows, we will elevate them to the discussion.
10:32:56 From  Al Weinrub (he, him)  to  Matthew Tisdale(Direct Message):
	What are FGS sessions?
10:33:45 From  William Marin  to  Matthew Tisdale(Direct Message):
	You may want to suggest that chat questions go to "Everybody" otherwise I can't see them. :)
10:34:06 From  Barbara Stebbins  to  Everyone:
	Yes, indeed!
10:34:12 From  Judge Kelly Hymes, CPUC (she, her)  to  Everyone:
	I completely agree.
10:35:08 From  Erika Morgan  to  Everyone:
	Does the timeline allow for the possibility of changes per the "alternate proposals" presented today?
10:38:45 From  Claire Broome 350 Bay Area  to  Everyone:
	How will efforts between the tracks be coordinated?  For example, use cases prioritized by the SIOWG in track 3 may facilitate or foreclose DSO functions?
10:48:31 From  Samuel Golding  to  Everyone:
	Somewhat related - could parties be given read-only access to the current MS Projects gantt / timeline? That would enhance coordination / awareness for everybody on an ongoing basis.
10:49:57 From  Jennifer West  to  Everyone:
	How do you envision the role of local governments and CCAs (community choice aggregators) in this process, as they are between the customers and the distribution/utilities/system operators and have great interest in DER?
10:51:30 From  Kate Unger  to  Everyone:
	Is the password to the Strategen presentation pdf available?
10:52:11 From  Samuel Golding  to  Everyone:
	(FYI I was able to open the Strategen presentation without a password)
10:53:33 From  Kate Unger  to  Everyone:
	That’s right, thanks—I see it was a problem with my default pdf application.
10:53:40 From  Barbara Stebbins (she,her), Local Clean Energy Alliance  to  Everyone:
	Yes!
10:53:58 From  Rose Monahan (she/her)  to  Everyone:
	Agree with Al's comment
10:55:39 From  Jane Krikorian  to  Matthew Tisdale(Direct Message):
	Hi Matt - great job :)  Can you remind people to mute themselves? I keep hearing someone having a conversation!
10:56:32 From  William Marin  to  Everyone:
	Hi all - apologies if your questions can't be answered right away. We will do our best to answer all questions during the webinar.
10:59:34 From  Matthew Tisdale  to  Jason(Direct Message):
	good morning, Jason! Thanks for being here
11:00:08 From  Matthew Tisdale  to  Mark Paterson(Direct Message):
	Good morning, Mark. Thanks for being here. Ready to go?
11:04:45 From  Matthew Tisdale  to  Everyone:
	Mark's presentation is available for download at https://gridworks.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/220502-Strategen-DER-DSO-Process-Lessons-from-Australia.pdf
11:14:00 From  Matthew Tisdale  to  Everyone:
	Please feel free to share questions for Mark and Jason here. If time allows we will raise them for discussion.
11:15:41 From  Richard Khoe Cal Advocates  to  Everyone:
	Mark - Do you have any insights as to why the ENA/AEMO work (the last process in Australia that looked at some of the models we are considering) did NOT recommend a significant shift, to something like a Total DSO model?
11:16:50 From  Rose Monahan (she/her)  to  Everyone:
	Australia continues to have very high CO2 emissions per capita, despite it's high DER adoption. This presentation emphasizes deep decarbonization, which California policy also supports. Are there any insights or thoughts on how California can plan for a high DER future that meets both the needs of a high DER future and California's climate goals?
11:29:26 From  Samuel Golding  to  Everyone:
	Jason - could you summarize the range of performance / profitability that UK distribution companies have achieved under the RIIO framework? Do investors believe the framework provides appropriate incentives and fair returns?
11:31:52 From  Erika Morgan, CA Alliance for Community Energy  to  Everyone:
	How does World B differ from the starting point/ status quo?
11:32:55 From  Brenden  to  Everyone:
	Thank you Mark for the insightful presentation and sharing your lessons learned. You mentioned that you used different tools to evaluate the techo-economic societal aspects of future electric system. Can you voice over these tools that were used in the Australian context?
11:35:30 From  Samuel Golding  to  Everyone:
	Jason - regarding the “principal of neutral network facilitation” — could you comment on the deployment of Local Flexibility Market platforms (such as Piclo Flex, NODES, etc.)?  My understanding is that these independent marketplaces are managed by a non-utility third-parties and are meant to standardize DER transactions / flexible capacity procurement across multiple distribution company territories. How are these intended to inform the “World B” development pathway?
11:36:00 From  Nihal Shrinath, Sierra Club  to  Everyone:
	It sounds like from your experience, the Commission should set objectives about the desirability of DERs, climate, and rate democratization (among other priorities) before selecting a DSO model, is that right?
11:39:05 From  Dean Taylor  to  Everyone:
	the net GHG benefits of switching from gasoline, diesel and natural gas to electricity are massive and get bigger per unit as the grid gets cleaner.  But the net GHG benefits of DERs are relatively small by comparison and get smaller per unit as the grid gets cleaner.   Easy to lose sight of the big picture on need to reduce GHG and other air pollutants.
11:41:06 From  Lorenzo Kristov  to  Everyone:
	@ Dean => Focusing on a single objective such as GHG reduction gives an incomplete view and evaluation of the benefits of DERs.
11:52:27 From  Matthew Tisdale  to  Simon Baker | CPUC(Direct Message):
	hi, simon. you made it just in time for our lunch break. good timing :0). we will reconvene at 12:15
11:52:58 From  Simon Baker | CPUC  to  Matthew Tisdale(Direct Message):
	LOL!  Was on a GO call, sorry
11:53:29 From  Michael Picker  to  Everyone:
	All 3 of these models start with deregulated markets, which the California Legislature has severely limited.  Do we as a group want them to revisit re-regulation as a response to the collapse of retail energy markets in 2000/2001?  if not, what pathway do we want to take?
11:58:48 From  Sahm  to  Everyone:
	Some take aways:  
	
		1. Stakeholder engagement is critical 
	
		2. Clear objectives are required before evaluation is possible 
	
		3. Many goals build upon common foundations that can be started long before knowing the preferred endpoint 
	
		4. Analytical tools are only as good as the scope of factors they include
11:59:27 From  Mark Paterson  to  Everyone:
	Thanks all for the opportunity to participate today.  As mentioned, you may find our recent report and overview video helpful.  The report provides a detailed review of many relevant international initiatives and outlines specific recommendations for moving forward: https://www.strategen.com/gpst-psa-report
12:02:27 From  Jason  to  Everyone:
	I have replied directly to the participants who raised the questions that related to UK or that I thought could relate to the UK.  I will send Matthew my responses as the thread would be lost otherwise.  Really great talking to you all and please do use the slides for future reference.  I look forward to staying in touch.
12:10:38 From  Matthew Tisdale  to  Everyone:
	Thank you to Michael Picker ad Sahm White for sharing their takeaways from Mark and Jason's presentation. Inviting others to do the same here in the chat bar.
12:14:31 From  Kate Unger  to  Everyone:
	. Takeaways:
12:15:07 From  Kate Unger  to  Everyone:
	Regulator/government setting expectations helps to drive change
12:15:40 From  Richard Khoe Cal Advocates  to  Everyone:
	A takeaway for me (especially from the UK) is that any solution should take the form of a journey, not an endpoint. To be expanded in my presentation. 
12:15:59 From  Matthew Tisdale  to  April Maurath Sommer(Direct Message):
	We are hearing you when you go off mute.
12:16:06 From  Simon Baker | CPUC  to  Matthew Tisdale(Direct Message):
	your line was muted if you were talking
12:16:43 From  Kate Unger  to  Everyone:
	Building from both future-past and present-forward thinking
12:18:36 From  Robert Perry, Synergistic Solutions (he/him)  to  Everyone:
	Key takeaway: we have to articulate the societal elements and work back from there to chart the best path.
12:21:08 From  Samuel Golding  to  Everyone:
	Key takeaway: the critical importance of beginning the process of scaling up “parallel paths” that implement the future system while also maintaining / augmenting the capabilities of today’s system. Also: adopting data sharing standards that are defined in consultation with stakeholders.
12:22:26 From  Lorenzo Kristov  to  Everyone:
	Can you describe, or point to documentation of, “the proceeding’s high-DER future grid vision”?
12:28:54 From  Deborah Shields - Gridworks  to  Matthew Tisdale(Direct Message):
	Dave Castle and Roger Lin requested you show their slides for them
12:29:45 From  Joe Wiedman (he/him)  to  Matthew Tisdale(Direct Message):
	Key takeaway - Foundations for “Future Worlds” discussion by UK present seems particularly relevant given the concerns that a coalition of parties are poised to raise in the coming discussion. It’s really unclear how a record will be developed to address foundational issues of taxonomy, potential functions of a DSO/DMO and how a neutral market maker will emerge. In some ways CA is already on this pathway by allowing entities, like CCAs, besides the IOUs to form markets that unlock value of DERs for energy cost savings. Linking this effort to T&D cost savings via a DSO/DMO appears critical to driving rates affordability.
12:29:59 From  Rob Peterson (CPUC, Energy)  to  Everyone:
	DER Action Plan 2.0 as adopted: https://docs.cpuc.ca.gov/PublishedDocs/Published/G000/M467/K470/467470758.PDF
12:31:12 From  Joe Wiedman (he/him)  to  Matthew Tisdale(Direct Message):
	The last slide (24) is not in the Gridworks slidedeck posted online. Once slides are updated, please let parties know.
12:32:33 From  Susannah Churchill  to  Everyone:
	The CPUC decision expected in Q4 2023: will the decision choose a DSO model, or if not what will it aim to decide on?
12:32:57 From  Claire Broome 350 Bay Area  to  Everyone:
	On slide 24, your illustrative example discussed a "utility" function.  Wouldn't it be better to not make assumptions about which roles "utilities " will perform?  Use a specific function--DSO, LSE RATHER than im[lying the role a utility would play in the future
12:35:29 From  Joe Wiedman (he/him)  to  Matthew Tisdale(Direct Message):
	Side note - slide 26 identifies April 30, 2023 as date to request Evidentiary hearings. That date is a Sunday. I would suggest May 1, 2023.
12:38:02 From  Sahm  to  Everyone:
	“Essential Functions” include technical, economic, and societal functions, including market, equity and environmental factors
12:40:42 From  Richard Khoe Cal Advocates  to  Matthew Tisdale(Direct Message):
	Matt - Hoping you'll be able to share my slides. It's always hard to run the slides with notes and the clean slides at the same time.
12:40:59 From  Matthew Tisdale  to  Richard Khoe Cal Advocates(Direct Message):
	can do
12:41:56 From  Sahm  to  Everyone:
	Agree with SG’s comment, we need to keep in view both long term and interim goals and how they inform each other, i.e. 2030, 2040, 2050. “Short term thinking is insufficient to envision long term goals”
12:44:56 From  Joe Wiedman (he/him)  to  Matthew Tisdale(Direct Message):
	Re Gridworks slide 30 - it’s unclear what party input is being taken and how. If it’s all via this chat, that seems insufficient. For example, the Joint CCAs are very concerned with discussing utility operation of a DSO as a foregone conclusion. CCAs are already working on many DSO similar functions so that market is competitive and the PUC has already recognized the innovation MCE has brought to CA reliability efforts utilizing DERs. In our view, utilizing DMO to discuss the market formation function is important to separate from what the IOUs already are undertaking as distribution system operators. Section 399.2 functions are related but distinct from the market formation effort. The Joint CCA also believe the Sec. 769(a) definition of DERs is too limiting. DERs can be behind the meter and in front of the meter and still provide distribution benefits that can be compensated for. A combo of the FERC definition and Sec. 769(a) seems to be an reasonable outcome
12:56:03 From  Jennifer West  to  Everyone:
	I really appreciate the emphasis on using clear, plain language to explain the proceeding and allow better engagement.
13:00:51 From  Joe Wiedman (he/him)  to  Matthew Tisdale(Direct Message):
	Staff response is well taken, but I think the UK presentation slide 7, #7 needs careful reflection - Invest in stakeholder engagement to make the most of opportunities for everyone…or the risk is you are left with an academic/technical exercise no-one buys into.”
13:01:55 From  Erika Morgan, CA Alliance for Community Energy  to  Everyone:
	Ruling out "meaningful community stakeholder engagement" on the basis of "takes too long", no resources, is essentially the definition of structural racism.
13:02:08 From  Jennifer West  to  Everyone:
	Are the CPUC folks who work on the Environmental & Social Justice Action Plan involved as advisors on proceedings such as this one? Just to align CPUC efforts...
13:04:15 From  Ben Schwartz  to  Everyone:
	Given the tie-ins between this proceeding and others (Microgrids, DRP, IDER, IRP, Clean Energy Financing, RPS, NEM, etc...) would it beneficial to have Energy Division staff from multiple proceedings communicating/working together on this proceeding? Is this already occurring or in the works moving forward?
13:06:37 From  Barbara Stebbins (she,her), Local Clean Energy Alliance  to  Everyone:
	“Equity” and “Community Engagement” are popular terms for decision makers. However, achieving  authentic equitable outcomes can only come through authentic engagement with BIPOC and other low income communities can only come after hearing the voices of those who have suffered the most and stand to gain the most from decentralize, community-based energy.
13:08:32 From  Jane Krikorian  to  Everyone:
	Regarding equity/hearing voices of people & communities, can we reach out and engage groups that don't normally engage at the CPUC? Especially youth movements that are highly engaged in climate action and energy justice like the Sunrise Movement or Youth vs Apocalypse?
13:09:25 From  Tamlyn Hunt  to  Everyone:
	I love this reframing, thanks Lorenzo
13:09:49 From  Tamlyn Hunt  to  Everyone:
	DER-centric grids moving forward, and doing what it takes to achieve that reorientation.
13:10:41 From  Nihal Shrinath, Sierra Club  to  Everyone:
	Would like to echo and amplify Lorenzo's point, this proceeding would be much easier to digest and direct if it were oriented around decarbonization, equity, and resilience goals. And will add that the ESJ Action Plan 2.0 and AB32 (among other climate bills) provide a strong legal/policy basis for this reorientation.
13:10:47 From  April Maurath Sommer  to  Everyone:
	In regards to resources available for this proceeding, we do not forget that Gridworks is here to facilitate and this should be additive to the resources of Commission Staff.
13:11:38 From  Erika Morgan, CA Alliance for Community Energy  to  Everyone:
	Totally agree w the reorientation toward DSO-as-a resource, not DER as-a-problem to the grid.
13:11:38 From  Frances Cleveland  to  Everyone:
	I agree 100% with Lorenzo on DER, and I believe the SIOWG will be critical to providing a pathway to Lorenzo's vision
13:12:34 From  Tamlyn Hunt  to  Everyone:
	Decentralization and democratization of energy systems should be a major state policy focus as we enter a new era where resiliency is front and center
13:12:43 From  Allie Detrio  to  Everyone:
	I think its crucial that the CPUC devote more resources to this docket on the Future Grid in California. All these suggestions are great. This is extremely important and should not be short changed.
13:12:58 From  Claire Broome 350 Bay Area  to  Everyone:
	Agree with paradigm shift on DER to see them as grid benefit--as Jason said for the UK "Enable the uptake of DER technologies by allowing customers to take advantage of these new technologies to lower their costs and provide flexibility for the grid."
13:12:59 From  Tamlyn Hunt  to  Everyone:
	Allie, agree 100%.
13:13:37 From  Allie Detrio  to  Everyone:
	Agree back!
13:14:00 From  Stephanie Doyle (she/her)  to  Everyone:
	Also echo the sentiment that DERs should not be approached from a "problem" frame
13:14:06 From  Joe Wiedman (he/him)  to  Matthew Tisdale(Direct Message):
	The Joint CCAs support these track2 recommendations by The Climate Center and WFT/CACE. #4 is particularly vital. It’s the basis of first step in the four step process proposed in the white paper. Yet it’s unclear when/where that conversation will take place.
13:16:39 From  Claire Broome 350 Bay Area  to  Everyone:
	Also, I hope we all see "community" as broadly defined-- for example, Community Choice Energy providers can represent their communities, and need to be full partners in eg access to data.  My local government (Berkeley) has been prevented from developing a community microgrid because of cost-prohibitive current interpretation of regulations.
13:17:53 From  jstrack  to  Everyone:
	Claire, what "regulations" are you referring to?
13:18:00 From  Claire Broome 350 Bay Area  to  Everyone:
	@ Nihal--excellent points
13:18:14 From  Erika Morgan, CA Alliance for Community Energy  to  Everyone:
	Agree, Claire, thank you.  The ability of any "DSO Model" to correct problems/ barriers like that is an evaluation criteria imo.
13:18:28 From  Frances Cleveland  to  Everyone:
	The concept should be the development of Use Cases to meet the desired results, and only then point to the "functions" that can achieve those Use Case goals
13:18:57 From  Joe Wiedman (he/him)  to  Everyone:
	I accidentally sent this message to one person rather than the group: The Joint CCAs support these track2 recommendations by The Climate Center and WFT/CACE. #4 is particularly vital. It’s the basis of first step in the four step process proposed in the white paper. Yet it’s unclear when/where that conversation will take place.
13:20:40 From  Frances Cleveland  to  Everyone:
	EVs must be seen as DER, even though they may have special constraints.
13:21:17 From  Claire Broome 350 Bay Area  to  Everyone:
	in reply to question above (?Strack) Rule 218 and interconnection challenges. They weren't allowed to do master metering either.
13:22:37 From  Joe Wiedman (he/him)  to  Everyone:
	Thank you for the shout out, Claire. CCAs are working hard to help all of us meet our mutual goals in democratizing the energy system. There is a clear need to lift up a broader set of voices so that front line communities are not brought in too late.
13:25:35 From  Joe Wiedman (he/him)  to  Everyone:
	This point by Mr. Lin really encapsulates the outcomes we need to help orient parties to identify models that will achieve the recognized/supported outcomes.
13:27:17 From  Samuel Golding  to  Everyone:
	Very stimulating questions by Mr. Lin.
13:27:36 From  Tamlyn Hunt  to  Everyone:
	Agreed that existing funding options for community engagement are highly problematic, to say the least.
13:28:58 From  Joe Wiedman (he/him)  to  Everyone:
	To clarify what I meant by “this point” above - I was referring to the slide discussing the San Joaquin Valley Proceeding where Pilots was replaced with High DER.
13:30:28 From  Erika Morgan, CA Alliance for Community Energy  to  Everyone:
	Strong support for Mr. Lin's comments, especially about a) CPUC's central obligation to carry the responsibility for making this community engagement happen; b) the problems of the existing I-Comp system, c) the need to invest staff and $ resources to make this engagement actually meaningful.
13:31:09 From  Nihal Shrinath, Sierra Club  to  Everyone:
	Strong agree with Roger, recognizing resource constraints, the Commission sends a signal about priorities with how it allocates funding.
13:34:02 From  Ben Schwartz  to  Everyone:
	Limited intervenor compensation has reduced the number of parties able to participate in regulatory proceedings, raising the barrier of entry rather than making the process more accessible to stakeholders. Properly funding community engagement is an important issue.
13:37:37 From  Joe Wiedman (he/him)  to  Everyone:
	SCE’s separation of market functions from system functions highlights the need to have a discussion on roles and responsibilities. CCAs are already providing market functions so the two are not necessarily linked, but can be coordinated between actors. There is a big assumption that the DSO must also be a DMO. We’d politely disagree based on current realities.
13:41:32 From  Sahm  to  Everyone:
	Ownership, Investment, maintenance, operation, metering & data management, market operation, and tariff development are all distinct roles that must be coordinated but not necessarily aggregated.
13:43:34 From  Erika Morgan, CA Alliance for Community Energy  to  Everyone:
	Agree w Joe W above and disagree with SCE that "IOUs are DSOs" is a starting point for this proceeding. A true "DSO" should be 'market-neutral' vs today's IOUs have a conflict of interest w the high-DER future.
13:44:24 From  Claire Broome 350 Bay Area  to  Everyone:
	David Castle--excellent analytic framework.  However, as we are currently seeing in NEM, a "detailed benefit-cost analysis" as you recommend according to the Standard Practice Manual depends on whose cost and whose benefit.  Currently the IOU's use the RIM test to claim that electricity not purchased from the IOU's is a "cost"--pretty problematic for unlocking the potential of DER
13:51:22 From  Frances Cleveland  to  Everyone:
	Use Cases can be developed to identify the many requirements and incentives that can be provided by DER aggregators and owners:
	•	Interconnection requirements (“shall” in order to maintain grid safety and reliability and fundamental fairness)
	•	Bidding on ancillary services (“may” if willing to bid (or receive incentives) on providing support for grid efficiency, fairness, and flexibility)
	•	Market opportunities (“can”, namely permitted to participate in incentive-based activities, so long as these do not contravene the “shall” and “may” requirements)
13:52:23 From  Steve Barrager  to  Everyone:
	ringing in voice
13:53:04 From  Matthew Tisdale  to  Everyone:
	The audio is fine on my end. Others having trouble?
13:53:12 From  William Marin  to  Everyone:
	No issues here Matthew
13:53:13 From  Stephanie Doyle (she/her)  to  Everyone:
	Fine for me
13:53:13 From  Samuel Golding  to  Everyone:
	Sounds OK to me.
13:53:15 From  Tamlyn Hunt  to  Everyone:
	me too, it’s fine
13:53:36 From  Frances Cleveland  to  Everyone:
	Fine here, even from Italy
13:53:47 From  Joe Wiedman (he/him)  to  Everyone:
	This discussion of the “DSO Legal Framework” is highly slanted to one party’s views of the legal frameworks we operate within. Sec. 399.2 in no way impacts the ability of parties to bring forward alternative models that might conflict with 399.2 as what state laws might need changing is in the scope of the docket. Moreover, operating the distribution grid doesn’t mean operating a market for DERs to provide services. I completely disagree that 399.2 applies any guardrails to our conversation.
13:54:43 From  Al Weinrub (he, him)  to  Everyone:
	Wow, so the IOUs  are brutally failing to deliver on their responsibilities per section 399.2
13:55:44 From  Claire Broome 350 Bay Area  to  Everyone:
	thanks for clarification @ Joe Weidman
13:56:42 From  Sahm  to  Everyone:
	Is Rachael suggesting that markets or load and generation resource operation are legally under utility only scope? The “grid is what connects resources, not the resources themselves.
13:56:49 From  Howard Golub  to  Matthew Tisdale(Direct Message):
	To Ms. Koss: Are you claiming that the Pub Util Code restricts POUs right to provide distribution services.
13:57:26 From  Erika Morgan, CA Alliance for Community Energy  to  Everyone:
	Agree w Roger Lin.  It sounds like those making the case for "no change" have not accepted the premise of this proceeding, that the world is changing.
13:57:31 From  Nihal Shrinath, Sierra Club  to  Everyone:
	I would agree with Roger here. And changes to the code can be contemplated in proposals, correct?
13:57:52 From  Howard Golub  to  Everyone:
	To Ms. Koss: Are you claiming that the Pub Util Code restricts POUs right to provide distribution services.
	Howard Golub, representing the City of Long Beach
13:58:06 From  Allie Detrio  to  Everyone:
	What if the DSO operated independently of this statute? It seems like this is just defining what electrical corporations can do, but the DSO could exist independently of this, right?
14:04:46 From  Steve Keehn  to  Everyone:
	I may have missed it, but I don't recall hearing any discussion about the fact that at the same time this proceeding is examining how the market will be expanded to incorporate the distribution system more directly, the CAISO is also working on expanding the current market in the other direction through the Extended Day Ahead Market (EDAM). It may be wise to step back and consider how these two processes may interact.
14:07:05 From  Claire Broome 350 Bay Area  to  Everyone:
	Richard (and @ Frances), would "no regrets", early stage of the journey, and preserving a broad range of alternative "world" outputs suggest a way to identify high priority SIO WG use cases?
14:08:43 From  Lorenzo Kristov  to  Everyone:
	@ Steve — The two are complementary. DSO enables local DER solutions to meet local needs, but does not eliminate the value of western integration for geographic and resource diversity.
14:09:04 From  Amin Younes (he/him) - Cal Advocates  to  Everyone:
	@Claire, Cal Advocates made informal comments to that effect as part of the SIOWG.
14:10:44 From  Joe Wiedman (he/him)  to  Everyone:
	Allie - in my view there is a welter of commission authority that can harmonize 399.2 with outcomes in this docket that folks put forward. One thing to note is not over read what 399.2 actually says re electric distribution grid, emergency response and restoration, service connections, service turnons/turnoffs, and service inquires. That’s a pretty limited set that points towards the actual grid not markets that may ride on top of the grid. Moreover, the entire clause is “subject to the commission’s authority” which imho clearly implicates sate codes supporting competition, supporting limiting monopoly creep, and opening the distribution system to non-wires alternatives (among the many statutes that give the PUC expansive authority). I encourage parties to not let narrow views of current state law impact the thinking they bring to the table in proposals.
14:10:52 From  Paul De Martini  to  Everyone:
	Many, if not most of the requirements and functions are derived from the types of services that are expected to be employed by the various parties that would be participating in future transactions. Services in this context are those from DER to wholesale/ISO, distribution and at and behind the edge.  Also, California is substantially more advanced in DER adoption that the UK, so the roadmap option may be not be as practical as we are close to being on the critical path for 2030 and beyond with the time it will likely take to implement any option.
14:12:40 From  Michael Picker  to  Everyone:
	Nice to hear from you, Paul!
14:12:46 From  Claire Broome 350 Bay Area  to  Everyone:
	@Matt Tisdale-- will chat be saved and available to participants?  Congrats to Gridworks for facilitating an open workshop and accommodating substantial back and forth even in a virtual format.
14:13:24 From  Matthew Tisdale  to  Everyone:
	Yes, the chat will be saved and available. Thank you.
14:13:40 From  Allie Detrio  to  Everyone:
	Thanks Joe, that is very helpful clarity! Agree with your assessment and rec for parties.
14:14:49 From  Claire Broome 350 Bay Area  to  Everyone:
	@ Paul--all the more reason to be strategic at the outset and not lock in "high regrets" outcomes for the environment and ratepayers IMHO
14:15:16 From  Steve Keehn  to  Everyone:
	@Lorenzo -  I realize that they are complementary, but I was trying to point out that there might be interactions between the two that should be considered. For example, if the CAISO takes on the optimization of the EDAM market, this might impact their ability to act as the market operator for the distributed markets. I also wonder if the solution we pioneer here in California would dictate the types of solutions in other parts of the EDAM world?
14:15:44 From  Paul De Martini  to  Everyone:
	Also, as referenced by a few folks today. We are already redefining/enhancing operating models in various proceedings and programs like community microgrids that need to be considered in this process. As such, its important to understand what is evolving already, and not just look in the rearview mirror.
14:17:33 From  Paul De Martini  to  Everyone:
	Important to have clarity on terminology regarding terms like "markets" and "operations" as these are often used to mean more than one thing.
14:18:40 From  Joe Wiedman (he/him)  to  Everyone:
	All good points, Paul
14:19:10 From  Tam Hunt (GPI)  to  Everyone:
	Steve, can you enlarge your prez? It’s very small
14:20:25 From  William Marin  to  Everyone:
	You can also find the presentation here: https://gridworks.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/TeMix-presentation-DSO-Evaluation-Kickoff-Workshop.pdf
14:22:32 From  Frances Cleveland  to  Everyone:
	Another point that I believe is important is that "DER" really means generation, storage, and load, primarily the net result of these elements at the point between the DER facility and the grid. So, it shouldn't matter whether a facility uses generation or storage or load to achieve the desired "DER" net result.
14:24:10 From  Tam Hunt (GPI)  to  Everyone:
	Sreve, can this model include planning functions as well as market functions, as distinguished by SCE earlier today?
14:25:16 From  Claire Halbrook (she/her)  to  Matthew Tisdale(Direct Message):
	I have to run for a call at 2:30. Great prep work!
14:28:04 From  Sahm  to  Everyone:
	The TEMIX presentation suggests DSO as controlling rather than managing. UNIDE seems focused on economic value, which can be realized within safety and reliability limits of the grid by the DO - these appear to be complementary, not alternatives
14:30:22 From  Erika Morgan, CA Alliance for Community Energy  to  Everyone:
	Similarity: Community engagement is essential to success.  Difference: whether today's IOUs should be taken as the "DSO starting point/ default".
14:36:40 From  Ben Schwartz  to  Everyone:
	Danielle, I think we can only truly take credit for such accomplishments as NEM, microgrids, or V2G when they are fully incorporated into a forward-looking planning process and acknowledged as essential parts of a High DER future.
14:37:08 From  April Maurath Sommer  to  Everyone:
	common theme: objectives must be developed at the outset
14:38:54 From  Erika Morgan, CA Alliance for Community Energy  to  Everyone:
	Central challenge+ Strong leadership around the "north star" of serving customers equitably while surviving climate change.
14:39:35 From  Kurt Johnson (he/him) The Climate Center  to  Everyone:
	Yes: key challenge is agreement on where we trying to get to, e.g. reliable energy for all, which necessarily will mean a lot more DER
14:39:37 From  jstrack  to  Everyone:
	The California Energy Commission should be incorporating NEM and V2G in their long-range ("forward-looking") load forecasts, which in turn drive future plans for distribution and transmission infrastructure.
14:39:59 From  Stephanie Doyle (she/her)  to  Everyone:
	Challenge - common language and terminology, think we need to establish this up front.
14:40:00 From  jstrack  to  Everyone:
	...and I believe the CEC is endeavoring to do this.
14:40:40 From  Kurt Johnson (he/him) The Climate Center  to  Everyone:
	Yes how will this conversation relate to CEC informational proceeding on High DER?
14:42:22 From  Richard Khoe Cal Advocates  to  Everyone:
	Key challenge - getting enough traction on a longer term project.
14:45:31 From  Sahm  to  Everyone:
	“Least Regrets” includes avoiding doing too little too late
14:46:28 From  Ben Schwartz  to  Everyone:
	Clean Coalition agrees with Sahm.
14:46:48 From  Samuel Golding  to  Everyone:
	Well said, Sahm.
14:48:02 From  Claire Broome 350 Bay Area  to  Everyone:
	@Ben--agree--and @Danielle, NEM is only a success on the road to HighDER if the next NEM phase maintains sustainable growth in PV AND storage.
14:48:09 From  Joe Wiedman (he/him)  to  Everyone:
	Thank you CPUC and Gridworks for offering this workshop today
14:52:45 From  Tam Hunt (GPI)  to  Everyone:
	When will written comments be taken on the white paper?
14:54:21 From  Daniel Drazan - Enchanted Rock  to  Matthew Tisdale(Direct Message):
	When and what pathway is available for providing written comments on the white paper?
14:55:46 From  Ben Schwartz  to  Everyone:
	Will the chat log be used when Gridworks draws conclusions from this workshop? There have been a lot of interesting written comments made today.
14:55:48 From  Daniel Drazan - Enchanted Rock  to  Matthew Tisdale(Direct Message):
	Yes, on the record is better
14:56:45 From  Ben Schwartz  to  Everyone:
	Yes
14:57:07 From  Robert Perry, Synergistic Solutions (he/him)  to  Everyone:
	There is a save chat function in the chat drop-down menu
14:57:09 From  drhermandc  to  Matthew Tisdale(Direct Message):
	Thank you, Matthew. Excellent work
14:59:26 From  Sahm  to  Everyone:
	The poll combined 5 questions, each of which may have a different answer
15:00:32 From  Lorenzo Kristov  to  Matthew Tisdale(Direct Message):
	Practically all white people.
15:01:11 From  Sahm  to  Matthew Tisdale(Direct Message):
	Nice job Mathew, thank you